ropetow,

thanks for that,
your reply was much more convincing than Dougs.
I think I believe you in this case.
Unless Doug has anything to add..?

The CairnGorm SSC Hut is the private property of the collective membership of the Scottish Ski Club, the lease referred to is a ground lease for the plot on which the hut stands, but the hut itself is the property of the club and is not leased from CML, NAIL or HIE.

As per their public statement the SSC told CML they wished the webcams to remain. For CML to suggest that they 'sought to consult with Winter Highland also' is simply laughable. In a short and abrupt phone call in October to my colleague, they demanded that we remove the webcams from the SSC hut immediately, we refused and said they would remain in situ and online for as long as they had the support of the building owner - the SSC.

The Scottish Ski Club did not remove their support for the webcams and on Thursday afternoon the General Manager of CML left a voicemail simply informing us that CML were going ahead and entering the SSC hut and taking our webcams and AWS down.

Ralph, are you a Russian cyber-agitator trying to ferment discontent in the Scottish snowsports community?

That's how your posts read Comrade.

Uhhhm : See above
The SSC hut is clearly owned by club members - not Natural Retreats.

Not entirely sure what the point of your 3 post history is ?



Edited 2 times. Last edit at 22.01hrs Mon 27 Nov 17 by Doug_Bryce.

Did they return your property to you?

I'm guessing you are considering your next move vis a vis legal action but appreciate that this is not a fitting place to discuss.

Re ground leases - through various provisions in the ground lease documents, a landlord may retain some element of control over the development and permitted uses of the land that is leased under the ground lease. Many ground leases require a tenant to develop, construct and operate a specific type of commercial project and not change the nature of the project without the landlord's prior approval.



Edited 1 times. Last edit at 22.14hrs Mon 27 Nov 17 by ropetow.

Not been reading the thread from the start eh???

Anyway Alan has replied.

SSC own the hut, & lease the land from the land owners (who are NOT NR)

For 100% clarity for certain people, .....Alan/Doug can you state who bought & owns the cameras & weather station that have been damaged/interfered with.

Also when they were installed so we have an idea as to "how long they have been used freely, without objection , hindrance, etc"

---That was not a fall, I intended to do that!---

I have read the thread from the start - The SSC have a lease in place with CML which is likely to be the ground lease.

Where have you read that the SSC lease the land from the land owners who are not NR.

CML is operated by NR is it not?

Edit: Natural Assets Investment Ltd.



Edited 1 times. Last edit at 22.32hrs Mon 27 Nov 17 by ropetow.

Ohhh, I dunno about getting the dibble involved when its the councils friends who are at it.. Fuhrer stephen house ruined the northern plod by giving them the wee curly tails of the Strathclyde make it up as they go along shower of shite.


The place is shite anyway, I don't see daily reports for the big fridge over the river on this bit of the web and cairngorms is on par wi that pish, full of hipsters, knobs and the posh...

Get yer cams back up, but get remote controlled ones and zoom in on every bare bit of ground ya can see through the season, drive the baw bags aff the hill, posh hipster twats!

Ralph, that's how we (t)roll.

So whats the current state of play with the actual cameras?

Have these been removed / stolen / damaged?

Or simply unplugged?

Not that it makes a blind bit of difference right enough, im just curious as to what they've done with the cameras.

Didn't board at CG last winter, nor the winter before that - wont be back again this year either. Thankfully, being from the central belt there are much more appealing options closer to home than a trip to Aviemore, making a boycott very easy from my point of view.

It is in this thread & others but if like me you have actually dealt with the operators (I dealt with CM ltd) from a business perspective...or if you had paid attention over the past several years when there have ben various criticisms of NR on this forum again it has been stated...

NR are the operators, they do not own the land, they just won the contract to run the ski resort...& to build etc as they see fit to operate the resort...

The land owners are the estate & HIE..

---That was not a fall, I intended to do that!---

Nuts, cant believe what has been happening in cairngorm over the past wee while.
I will be trying to avoid at all costs now. Shame as i like visiting aviemore.

I assume Alan you know about this but it has just been put up without any comment from you.

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In which case I would send an registered letter to CML informing that unless the items are reinstated immediately and you will be claiming expenses for any remedial work required by yourself. If they fail to do so you will be reporting them to the police. What they have done is flat out illegal, no if's and no buts.

That is in general very good advice. Though many things are sufficiently clear cut that this is not necessary; for example if I rock up with a JCB and start demolishing your house we don't need a judge to known my actions are illegal.